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Be aware of Xing Premium

Two days ago I received an invoice from Xing, a business Network similar to Linkedin but focused on Germany and Austria. It has about 8 million members compared to LinkedINs 43 million members.

The invoice was part of an auto renewal which was automatically added as I signed up for Xing. I thought I remembered that I went in to my account to untick the box but cannot be 100% certain since this was 1 year ago. The renewal invoice was for EUR 71.40 for the next 12 months.

I no longer see a benefit for using the Premium Version of XING so I decided to send an email to the support / invoice team there to cancel the unwanted auto renewal. I stated

* That the charge is for a subscription in the future which I have not yet consumed
* I do not want to renew my subscription
* Asked politely for a refund

To my surprise I received a negative answer within 24 hours.

Your Premium Membership is a subscription which is automatically renewed at the
end of the contract for the length of time you specify. Unfortunately, we are
unable to cancel your last invoice, as we did not receive a cancellation from you
within the cancellation period (up to 14 days before the end of the contract).

This automatic extension is part of a Premium Membership and was a condition you
accepted when you agreed to the contract. This automatic extension is clearly
indicated when a Premium Membership is selected and can be seen in the "My
Account" section on the Web site.

To cut a long story short my second email was also declined.

What I would have expected.

* At the time of signing up -> A choice if I want auto renewal or not
* A reminder that my subscription will be automatically renewed 4 weeks before the end of the contract.

What will  I do next?
I am a Disgruntled Customer and I am angry so of  course I am going to make some noise. Further to that I might have used Xing again in the future. There has to be a very compelling reason that I will sign up again in future and third a link to this Blog article will be featured on both my Xing and LinkedIN accounts. I will also try to do a charge back with my Credit Card Company which I am positive will go through. 


More on this topic in German: Vorsicht Abzocke Xing

Comments (12)

Aug 20, 2009
Markus said...
Ich habe eine ähnliche Erfahrung mit Xing gemacht. Ich habe Xing für 1 Jahr bezahlt und über Spesen mit meiner damaligen Firma abgerechnet.

Ich wurde arbeitslos, bekam eine Rechnung von Xing für die Verlängerung habe natürlich an Support geschrieben mit der bitte um Kulanz welche abgelehnt wurde. Die Rechnung musste ich selbst bezahlen. Ich weiss nicht ob was Xing gemacht hat legal ist. Was ich weiss ist dass es sehr kurzsichtig ist.

Aug 20, 2009
Sebastian said...
Sowas ist unverschämt! Ich habe sie gerade auch geküngt. :-)
Aug 21, 2009
Don Halley said...
Xing has yet to learn the meaning of customer service. For EUR 71.40, they have alienated you, everyone who reads this, everyone it will be forwarded to, and every person any of those people interact with. Let's hope Xing does learn while they still have customers (or maybe not).
Aug 21, 2009
Andre H said...
thanks for the comments. Markus, hoffe Du findest bald wieder eine Anstellung. Sebastian, ich glaube es ist besser so. Dann kann man ja immer noch nach Ablauf entscheiden ob man verlaengern moechte, vielleicht ja auch nur fuer 1 Monat.

Don, I am certainly not going to stop making noise. I am infuriated. I wrote them a total of 4 times, even wrote to one of their PR Directors who acknowledged it but only said he would forward it to the Customer service department. Nothing they want to do. My bank is trying to do the charge back on the Credit Card.

I have to ask myself what kind of business model is it. On the other hand I today found out that it might be a German thing. One of my friends told me that is how they do business in Germany with these subscription type services.

I found another link http://www.nickles.de/c/a3/538515544.htm of a guy who changed his bank account. Xing tried to debit the amount, the bank refused and then Xing sent the Debt agencies after the guy....

Sep 01, 2009
David said...
Der Kundenservice ist natürlich Käse. Das hätten sie auch kulanter lösen können. Andererseits ist Xing im Recht. Die Mechanik ist hier genauso wie bei einem Mobilfunkvertrag.
Sep 01, 2009
arnoklein said...
This is the usual way subscription models work in Germany. So I think this simply is a cultural misunderstanding. If you do a subscription contract in Germany it always auto-renews unless you cancel the subscription early enough. Noone in Germany would be surprised about this--but XING should overthink this policy for other countries where the customers expect another behavior.
Sep 01, 2009
Andre H said...
Thanks for your comments.
it seems to me more like Xing knows it cannot sell another year so it has to force it up on us... I signed up for a year. I did not receive a reminder, I did not consume my membership... And reading the comment of Markus makes me sick. Stealing money from unemployed people without any bit of flexibility is not good business practice.

re Mobilfunkvertrag: nach einem Jahr kann ich monatlich kuendigen da verlaengert sich der Vertrag nicht automatisch um weitere 12 Monate oder noch schlimmer um weitere 24 Monate wenn mein urspruenglicher Vertrag 2 Jahre waren

Sep 01, 2009
Arne said...
Thats common practice in germany. When you agree on a 24 month mobile contract, that gets auto renewed for another 24 month unless you cancel it 1-3 month before the ending of a period.
Almost all subscription based services in germany work that way. I also dont like it and would do it differently, BUT this is how things work in germany and they are accepted.
Sep 01, 2009
Andre H said...
Thanks Arne and Arno
Sep 01, 2009
Alex said...
Das mit dem Mobilfunkvertrag und der monatlichen Kündigungsmöglichkeit halte ich ja mal astrein für ein Gerücht, das wäre mir neu. Und gerade in dem Feld hat man schon so einiges erlebt.

Ansonsten verstehe ich die Aufregung nicht, man kann über diese Vorgehensweise denken was man will (optimal ist sie seitens Xing vermutlich nicht), aber es ist in der Tat "usual practice" - und wie schon jemand bei TechCrunch schrieb: verbockt hast Du es dann. Ich finde schon, dass es ausreichend transparent dargestellt wurde, dass es sich um einen Account mit automatischer Verlängerung handelt.

Und jeder hat von uns in seinem Leben auch schon mal vergessen, ein reales Zeitschriften-Abo abzubestellen. So what? Da auch so eine Welle gemacht? Ich finde es bezeichned, wie im Online- wie Offline-Geschäft häufig mit zweierlei Maß gemessen wird.

Sep 01, 2009
Andre H said...
interessanterweise kommen 2 der sehr kritischen Kommentare direkt aus dem Xing HQ ;) Kleiner Tip: Vorher Cookies loeschen und ueber Proxy Kommentare abgeben wenn man denn wirklich die Lust hat annonym zu kommentieren

Meine Kritik bleibt. Xing prellt seine Kunden in dem sie ein Abo unterjubeln obwohl die meisten Kunden eigentlich einmal bezahlen. Xing tritt auch nicht in Vorleistung kann also ganz einfach das Geld zurueckerstatten allerdings gehoert das nicht zum Business Modell. Xing bezahlt lieber PR "Profis" um Kommentare zu hinterlassen anstatt etwas kundenfreundlicher zu reagieren

Sep 01, 2009
 said...
also ich bin zwar Xing Mitglied aber sicherlich kein Mitarbeiter, falls du mich meinst ;)

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